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Codes and Cyphers
07-24-2014, 07:07 AM,
#11
Codes and Cyphers


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<b>Quote from astree on July 24, 2014, 6:50 am</b>

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Or put another way, "How's that been working for you?'"
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07-24-2014, 07:53 AM,
#12
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Or put another way, only two people so far got the first 2 clues right and even they went past the last 7.



ie, none of you know WWWH.
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07-24-2014, 08:34 AM,
#13
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<b>Quote from Jack on July 24, 2014, 8:07 am</b>

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Or put another way, "How's that been working for you?'"
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Good simple summary. I think mdavis put it very well, when he said “there are too many possibilities with the poem as is” (although his context meant the opposite, that is, limit yourself to the Level 1 possibilities, they’re already enough).

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My daughter told me a joke this morning:

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Three engineers were standing behind three mathematicians at the ticket counter of a train station, all on their way to the same convention. The group of mathematicians bought only 1 ticket altogether. One of the engineers remarked to them that they needed 3 tickets, and the mathematicians replied “ Watch and learn”. Each engineer bought a ticket and took a seat on the train. They curiously watched as the three math folk crowded into the small on-board bathroom.

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The conductor came around, collecting tickets. Each engineer handed him a ticket. The conductor proceeded to the bathroom door, knocked and said: “Ticket please”. The door opened just enough for a hand holding a ticket to appear from inside. Satisfied, the conductor took the ticket and left.

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“Pretty sneaky” said the first engineer.

“Yeah, they didn’t even let us in on the trick”

“Hmmm…” said the third engineer.

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After the convention concluded, they all met up again at the train station ticket line. The mathematicians bought their standard 1 ticket, but this time the group of engineers just left the line, without buying any tickets. The mathematicians smugly remarked to them “Hey, you can’t get do our trick with no tickets. Even an engineer should know that you can’t get something from nothing.”

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“Watch and learn” the third engineer said.

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Same as before, the group of mathematicians crammed into a bathroom, but this time the engineers were cramming into the adjacent bathroom. After the mathematicians had closed the door, one of the engineers knocked on their door. “Ticket, please” the engineer said, in his conductor voice. The door opened just enough for a mathematician's hand holding a ticket to appear from inside. Satisfied, the engineer took the ticket and left.

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( I know … http://www.amazon.com/The-Chase-Isaac-Be...se+cussler )

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But what I’m trying to say, is that the challenge is to beat The Chase at it’s own game. The puzzler wants to be like the Engineer taking the ticket from the Mathematician (Forrest).

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astree



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edit in: Buddy, I'm not sure that Forrest is still saying only 2 have solved the first 2 clues, is he?
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07-24-2014, 08:46 AM,
#14
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@astree , only use the inside 5 capital letters.

Also don't stop looking for deep codes, it's all relative to the word "code" we know a key is needed to unlock the poem.

Therefore, it is a form of code, so your work in other areas may always yield surprises not found by those with a misplaced narrow field of vision.

I suggest rather than looking at a word directly, take the word "several" for examlple. the number of vowels or alphabetic standing are typically used, look at the construction of the word, instead of meaning "more than one" it can also mean "to break ties" sever- all. Fenn likes these quirks, unfortunately , as @chrisYates can attest, the poem has a huge lack of multiple syllable words that can be manipulated this way......
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07-24-2014, 09:01 AM,
#15
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<b>Quote from astree on July 24, 2014, 9:34 am</b>

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But what I’m trying to say, is that the challenge is to beat The Chase at it’s own game. The puzzler wants to be like the Engineer taking the ticket from the Mathematician (Forrest).

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Speaking of math, there are quite a few references to Art hidden in Forrest's work. Here's an example:



http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g396...477eba.jpg



True North - thank-you, I will stay on it. Got to say, Polaris of the night, was a favorite of mine, from early on. (yes, the end I sEVEr drawing nigh-T / here'll be no ...)





[Image: 4yyk7-ToC_The_Cold_Art_Stanza1_vizResource_01Oct13.jpg]
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07-24-2014, 09:27 AM,
#16
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<b>Quote from true north on July 24, 2014, 9:46 am</b>

@astree , only use the inside 5 capital letters.

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Very cool, so far.



I B III



if B = 2, and using Romans



1 B 3

1 2 3



B 4



24



42



If I have it correctly, then the sum of the line letter positions of those letters = 69, the never-ending cycle.



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07-24-2014, 09:33 AM,
#17
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if listen is formula l equals 10 now how to apply formula? I dunno. Was hoping you would know.
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07-24-2014, 10:07 AM,
#18
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<b>Quote from ritchbich on July 24, 2014, 10:33 am</b>

if listen is formula l equals 10 now how to apply formula? I dunno. Was hoping you would know.
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Are you saying as in "lis(t)-ten" ?
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07-24-2014, 10:28 AM,
#19
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Stanza 1, verse 3 provides a unique wording. The first two words have letter count .. 1..3 , to confirm the approach.



This line codes "<b>cancer</b>".



https://translate.google.com/#fr/en/et%20cers



( note that this same technique is known to have been used in "A Treasure's Trove" key-word "MOON LIKE" - "DREAMER ONE ON ENDING, I CAUSE YOUR PUZZLING" = "LOOK IN ME" )













[Image: 47200-ToC_1_3_Letter_Pos_Cancers_24Jul14.jpg]
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07-24-2014, 10:34 AM,
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I'm saying "l" is 10 (l is ten) I don't know whether that is a straight letter substitution code where l is ten instead of 12 in English alphabet or perhaps a measurement. It just seemed relevant to your counting the number of times the letter l is in poem and the frequency.
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