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oh no, not another solution
09-17-2016, 05:32 PM,
#1
oh no, not another solution
Hi everyone,
I'm new to the forum, just joined today.
For reasons, I cannot search. Here is my take on the poem.
References are in parenthesis.


Begin it where warm waters halt
warm - To become warm, to heat up ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/warm )
halt - A minor railway station usually unstaffed ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/halt )

A steam locomotive of the Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad.
The Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad makes two 'halts' on is route from Chama to
Antonito. One halt is at Cumbres Pass an the other is at Osier. ( http://cumbrestoltec.com/interactive-map/ )



Osier is a populated place in Conejos County, Colorado, USA.[1] It is an old railroad settlement and train stop approximately halfway along the Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad where trains from both ends of the line meet and stop for lunch, making it possible for passengers to either continue in the same direction or return to their point of origin afterwards.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osier,_Colorado )
Waters – more than one.
warm waters halt at Osier.


And take it in the canyon down,
The Osier creek runs into/turns into Pinos, rio de los and flows thru Toltec Gorge.
( https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9990799,...a=!3m1!1e3 )

Not far, but too far to walk.
About 5 and a half miles.


Put in below the home of Brown.
Brown – Beaver
home of beaver – water
below – indicates a southerly direction ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/below )
home of Brown – Beaver Creek
Now we have a free clue. - Fast forward about a half a mile down beaver creek.
( http://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-q...n-circles/ )
We are close enough to start looking , but let's get closer.

From there it's no place for the meek,
meek – soft 'Old Norse” ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meek )

The end is ever drawing nigh;
I took this at face value.

There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Going upstream,. We are walking.

Just heavy loads and water high.
Heavy loads – This article describes beaver creek”s “jumble of room-sized boulders “
( http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/c...wilderness )

Water high – Beaver creek falls ( http://www.dougscottart.com/hobbies/wate...rcreek.htm )


If you've been wise and found the blaze,
How do you get wise? Early to bed and early to rise. We need to be standing there when the morning sun illuminates the “blaze”. The blaze has to be an easterly facing object. Now, go to google maps and look for something that is different when the sun hits it. Remember we are already about a half mile up the creek.
Google maps image was taken sometime in the morning. You can verify this by the shadows.
( https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9621584,...a=!3m1!1e3 )
If you see the blaze , let's continue.
From here you have to make decisions based on what you see.

Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
down can mean south or dune, sandhill. ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/down )

Another free clue? “Searchers have been within 200 feet”.
Assuming searchers are following the creek, we can assume that it must be 200 ft from the creek.
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
tarry - “to pull, yank, jerk, pluck up' ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tarry )
scant - A sheet of stone. ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scant )
My guess is to turn over a large flat stone.

Just take the chest and go in peace.

tr_hunter
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09-19-2016, 10:24 AM,
#2
RE: oh no, not another solution
I'm pretty stunned that nobody has replied to this because I'm pretty impressed. I don't think you are correct in your solve but there is some really good thinking here. I had never considered WWWH to be related to train stops. That's creative and also plausible. Why you chose that particular train stop I am not sure I understand. There are quite a few of them in the Rockies and nearly all are north of Sante Fe (which matches what Forrest has said).

I don't care for your Home of Brown so I won't really address it.

Your thoughts on the blaze are awesome. Again I have never considered time of day as potentially a key but it certainly seems like a reasonable concept.

Tarry Scant is fantastic. I've looked at both of those words in detail but have never seen Tarry described as to pull up. That's an interesting take on things. To imagine that the chest is under a rock slab at the bottom of a waterfall is certainly something that makes sense.

I'd love to see somebody go search this location. I think it certainly has enough merit to warrant a quick search. It won't be me since it's outside of my backyard but overall well done. I like a ton of things here.
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09-19-2016, 12:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2016, 12:47 PM by Becky from WV.)
#3
RE: oh no, not another solution
@crustacean - All this info was covered years ago. Discussed to infinitum ... even beavers. Take some time to read the archives because they might help you. Very informative & educational.
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09-19-2016, 12:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2016, 12:37 PM by Beavertooth.)
#4
RE: oh no, not another solution
Crustacean,

Veterans are probably not responding because this concept and particular search area was common several years ago. Stephanie may have searched every slab of rock along that route back in 2012 and subsequently. Numerous other searchers in 2013. Do a Google search of that railroad and Forrest Fenn and you will find many comments about it.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be there if you want to check it out. Beautiful scenery, at least.

Edit:

I see Becky from WV beat me by a couple of minutes (I am a slow typist). But I will leave my comments anyway.
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09-19-2016, 12:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2016, 12:47 PM by Becky from WV.)
#5
RE: oh no, not another solution
@Beavertooth - Always good to have a back-up. Thanks! Is there anything left that has truly NOT been covered (no pun intended)? I want to discuss field cameras soon ... so I'll either begin a new thread or resurrect an old one. I know nothing about them, but I'm hoping some of my fellow searchers do.
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09-19-2016, 12:51 PM,
#6
RE: oh no, not another solution
(09-19-2016, 12:46 PM)Becky from WV Wrote: Is there anything left that has truly NOT been covered (no pun intended)?

Yes! The current solve I am working on! Smile
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09-20-2016, 09:58 AM,
#7
RE: oh no, not another solution
Crustacean,
Thanks for the feedback. I chose the Osier stop because 2 trains are there at the same time. One leaves from Chama and one leaves from Antonito. They meet at the Osier station. One train = warm water halts. Two trains = water waters halt. Any way, that's my train of thought.

Yes, HOB guess is weak , but possible.

To everyone, feedback is welcome. I've only been at this a short time. I know there's a lot of 'tribal knowledge' I need to get up to speed on. Be critical, I have pretty thick skin.

Thanks, Becky from WV & Beavertooth . Good history to know
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09-20-2016, 03:32 PM,
#8
RE: oh no, not another solution
(09-20-2016, 09:58 AM)tr_hunter Wrote: Any way, that's my train of thought.

Great pun!
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09-21-2016, 01:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2016, 01:07 PM by tr_hunter.)
#9
RE: oh no, not another solution
A few things to bolster the solution.

this is to help with HOB guess.
Beaver Creek gets its name
from its populations of beavers that form dams along the
stream.
http://perfectflystore.com/wriodelospinos.html

Beaver


Beaver is a color that is a representation of the average color of the fur of a beaver.
The first recorded use of beaver as a color name in English was in 1705.[5]
The color "beaver" was formulated as one of the Crayola colors in 1998.

Etymologically, it's believed that the words "brown" and "beaver" ultimately stem from the same root word.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_brown#Beaver


"If you are brave and in the wood."
In the sense of "a forested area", the singular generally refers to a discrete area of forest, while the plural is often used when a more vaguely defined area is meant.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wood

Bravest Of The Brave: The Court-Martial Of Kit Carson
https://www.amazon.com/Bravest-Brave-Cou...0805995757

Cruces Basin Wilderness in Carson National Forest.
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10-04-2016, 05:34 AM,
#10
RE: oh no, not another solution
(09-17-2016, 05:32 PM)tr_hunter Wrote: Put in below the home of Brown.
Brown – Beaver
home of beaver – water
below – indicates a southerly direction ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/below )
home of Brown – Beaver Creek

Some other ideas considered early on"

IF YOU ARE BRAVE AND IN THE WOOD
IF YOU AR BEAVER AND IN THE WOOD

The word "beaver" is derived from "brown" and "bright" (blaze?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver#Etymology
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