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Lets Assume. ..
11-13-2013, 08:45 AM,
#21
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<b>Quote from mdc777 on November 12, 2013, 11:17 pm</b>

The clues in the poem lead you straight to the treasure IF you know where to start. (see the starting point thread) If you do not know where to start it's like throwing darts at a map. There are literally hundreds of locations that can fit WWWH and Home of Brown in the Rocky Mountains. So how do we know where to start? By the clues in the book that's why FF put them in there. Why more people are not focusing on the clues in the book is beyond me... but anyway good luck everyone.
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Absolutely. I think you are 100% correct. Find the correct solution to the first two clues, and the others follow. If there is a "key," it's the "where warm waters halt" and "home of Brown." Even after doing so, it will be hard to find the correct "blaze."
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11-13-2013, 08:48 AM,
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<b>Quote from John Brown on November 13, 2013, 8:04 am</b>
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<b>Quote from James Perotti on November 13, 2013, 6:10 am</b>

I used two keys, there was a long discussion on Dal's forum about the keys.
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about "the keys" or about "keys" for the poem in general? Do you remember where/when the discussion was?</div>
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Hi John Brown, The discussion was in the nine clues section, I don't remember anyone getting to specific, but there was agreement that a key was required, and it was suggested that there was three possible keys. One key was that the nine clues concealed other clues within them, another key was Spanish translations, and the third key was synonyms. Mr. Fenn having said that his motivation for hiding the chest, was to give something back to "the local community", I would think would put anyone at least in the right State.
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11-13-2013, 08:52 AM,
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<b>Quote from John Brown on November 13, 2013, 8:03 am</b>
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<b>Quote from mdc777 on November 12, 2013, 11:17 pm</b>

The clues in the poem lead you straight to the treasure IF you know where to start. (see the starting point thread) {....}
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IYHO



This is certainly not a position that I agree with.</div>
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If you are correct, how does one know where to start?
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11-13-2013, 09:05 AM,
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<b>Quote from John Brown on November 13, 2013, 8:04 am</b>
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<b>Quote from James Perotti on November 13, 2013, 6:10 am</b>

I used two keys, there was a long discussion on Dal's forum about the keys.
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about "the keys" or about "keys" for the poem in general? Do you remember where/when the discussion was?</div>
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Hi John Brown, The discussion was in the nine clues section, I don't remember anyone getting to specific, but there was agreement that a key was required, and it was suggested that there was three possible keys. One key was that the nine clues concealed other clues within them, another key was Spanish translations, and the third key was synonyms. Mr. Fenn having said that his motivation for hiding the chest, was to give something back to "the local community", I would think would put anyone at least in the right State.
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11-13-2013, 09:10 AM,
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<b>Quote from James Perotti on November 13, 2013, 9:05 am </b>



Mr. Fenn having said that his motivation for hiding the chest, was to give something back to "the local community", I would think would put anyone at least in the right State.
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But what if you knew nothing of the poem's author. Would that automatically disqualify a person from finding the chest?
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11-13-2013, 10:17 AM,
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Hi SidnCharley, Your asking does the poem alone contain a complete map to the chest, I would say no, because (originally) Mr. Fenn had said that "all a person needs, is the poem and a map". The thing that has to found is the blaze, and I don't think that the poem tells us what the blaze is, I think the poem gives clues to get us close to the blaze, but that's it.
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11-13-2013, 11:13 AM,
#27
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Hi SidnCharley, Another thought, I used the poem to make a map, that lead to my search area, using the keys mentioned above, with no other input. So I'll have say that at least it's possible, with just the poem, and knowing nothing else.
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11-13-2013, 11:18 AM,
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<b>Quote from James Perotti on November 13, 2013, 10:17 am</b>

Hi SidnCharley, Your asking does the poem alone contain a complete map to the chest, I would say no, because (originally) Mr. Fenn had said that "all a person needs, is the poem and a map". The thing that has to found is the blaze, and I don't think that the poem tells us what the blaze is, I think the poem gives clues to get us close to the blaze, but that's it.
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But if there is a "key" to decipher in the poem, wouldn't that include the Blaze almost automatically? Example: if you use, lets say, ever 10th word or letter to spell out other words, wouldn't the blaze have to be in there?

I would think that is the whole point.
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11-13-2013, 11:18 AM,
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<b>Quote from James Perotti on November 13, 2013, 11:13 am</b>

Hi SidnCharley, Another thought, I used the poem to make a map, that lead to my search area, using the keys mentioned above, with no other input. So I'll have say that at least it's possible, with just the poem, and knowing nothing else.
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Excellent! Going further, did the poem lead you to a general area or a pretty precise spot?



My hope is that, when solved correctly, the poem will yield an exact, unambiguous location. Then you use the map to get there!
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11-13-2013, 11:25 AM,
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<b>Quote from Desertphile on November 13, 2013, 8:52 am</b>
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<b>Quote from John Brown on November 13, 2013, 8:03 am</b>
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<b>Quote from mdc777 on November 12, 2013, 11:17 pm</b>

The clues in the poem lead you straight to the treasure IF you know where to start. (see the starting point thread) {....}
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IYHO



This is certainly not a position that I agree with.</div>
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If you are correct, how does one know where to start?</div>
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I started with a vague but explicit notion of my personal cost function. It was vague in the sense that I didn't try to write down some formal nonsense about the expected cost of recovering the chest. It was explicit in that I discussed it with my wife and daughter and we agreed that it made no sense for us to search further north than southern CO. This was for two reasons. (1)Fenn said he put it in the mountains north of SF. We wanted the language to be "simple" in the sense that if he said "in the mountains north of SF" he was using the language as it is normally used. He didn't also mean "in the mountains north of Denver" but just failed to mention it. My position is that if it is that far north then more than likely the poem isn't crackable without additional information because it is too disingenuous. Of course, in the mean time he's been providing additional information and there is all that stuff in the book about Yellowstone.

(2)Searching north of southern CO is prohibitively expensive for me. If it is north of some ill-defined line in southern Colorado I have zero chance of ever finding it. I won't entertain solutions up there. I won't look up there. Etc. I believe that it takes a large amount of research in libraries and with feet on the ground and that the person who finds it will have worked very very hard to do it. Fenn himself said that whoever finds it will have worked very hard to do so. Of course, that doesn't imply at all that doing a bunch of work will give you the chest. You might be doing the wrong work. Wasted work, like false confidence, will not pop! the chest into one's spot. The chest is sitting somewhere fully indifferent to the number of people that are trying to find it. We started by considering anywhere in NM that could reasonably be described as in the mountains north of SF and considered the rivers. We settled on our first general area because it seemed to find the greatest support in the poem and book but it's very very hard to know that one is not fooling one's self.
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