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The home of Brown
06-17-2013, 03:33 PM,
#11
The home of Brown
Here's a different way of thinking for solving the poem. Put your self in Forrest's place, before he hides the chest, he probably already has the spot decided upon. It's probably a spot he thought of earlier in his life, thinking to himself, "This would be a cool place to stash something important someday". He did mention that the spot was special and private for him, so he obviously was already familiar with this "hidey hole". So he thought, "I'm going to hide it in this exact spot, so I need to make up clues by working backwards to draw searchers back to this place". So he looks backwards and invents poetic names and descriptions of features, getting more general as he works backwards (or to the beggining of the poem). He thinks, "Well, that could be a landmark, what should I call it? Something clever, Uh, I'll call it home of Brown". Now he needs a more general location for the start, so he looks around and sees something, thinks about it, and calls it, "where warm waters halt".



In other words, he picked his spot first, then wrote the poem backwards to get you back to that spot. So, this is how I believe one needs solve the poem, start at the end or in the middle, find spots that match that scenario, then see if you can make it match the beginning of the poem. I think there are much less places that match "no place for the meek", "no paddle", "water high", "If you've been wise" etc, than there are WWWH and home of Brown. Finding the first clues is more of a crapshoot than finding the middle clues. I think he did this on purpose, but I also think it still involves a lot of luck. Just my thoughts. Boo
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06-17-2013, 04:12 PM,
#12
The home of Brown
Good thoughts Boo
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06-18-2013, 10:05 AM,
#13
The home of Brown
Boo I like the approach, just wish I could work backwards from the treasure already! I've thought about it the same way. I think this is where reading the rest of the book comes into play. It will help decipher the meaning of the poetic names he's developed for features or stops along the way. What else do we have for a reference? I think these "place names" only exist in the poem and they are not on any map, at least not known by the names he has used.
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06-18-2013, 10:27 AM,
#14
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Boo,

Very observant! That is exactly what Forrest did when he derived the poem. The technique you describe to find to solve the poem is precisely what I used to give my solution and it works very well. However WWWH can be relatively easy to find but conceptually it is difficult, not to mention vague, so you can be easily misguided. If you can find WWWH as well, you can work it from both ends and meet in the middle since HOB is the most difficult to find. For me HOB was the last to solve for my final solution.



The Wolf
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06-18-2013, 11:12 AM,
#15
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Clinger,

Perhaps some field work is required to discover the other clues? N'est-ce pas?

The Wolf
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06-18-2013, 11:33 AM,
#16
The home of Brown
@Boo & Clinger,



That's some very good thinking on both of your parts. It's a nice kind of "take a step back and look at it" kind of approach. It opens up avenues that may otherwise be missed.



I do have one thing that's been a big thorn in my side....The Continental Divide = WWWH. I don't get it. I've never heard the CD being anything more than where the courses of rivers flow in different directions. On one side towards the Pacific, the other, toward the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic. I've never read anything about it having to do with water temperature except from people on blogs.



I've heard "the warm, moist pacific air halts...". Yeah, it stops because of the Rocky Mountains being too high to get past, not the CD.



I'm all ears if anyone can provide a link to a legit site with regard to water temps (blogs don't count). If you can find something, that might put the CD back in play with my poem solving and be a help. Until then, I don't see it.
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06-18-2013, 01:47 PM,
#17
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peacemaker

wwwh = cd is just a maybe but look up the term orographic lifting and you might want to just keep that theory in your toolbox, never know when it might come in handy but who knows but to me it is the most logical theory



Also the Rocky Mountains where the western part or end of the Western Interior Seaway in essence in that way they halted that warm water as well but way back when
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06-18-2013, 03:54 PM,
#18
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Also for Peacemaker. Your question pertaining to WWWH illustrates one of my points. I think most people are looking for some grandiose example of WWWH; something bigger than life, meaningful, or abstract. But, if you think of it like I described, as an afterthought to fit in with his "favorite spot", you begin to realize it may be something very simple. In other words, Fenn didn't pick his WWWH first, he picked his spot and used what already existed to turn into clues. It would be difficult to get a very meaningful description out of what's already there, he had to come up with "fancy" names to describe something that's probably very mundane.



Respectfully, I think where you and others get hung up is looking for this bigger-than-life WWWH, so you can get a good vibe and go from there. I think if you find a good "no paddle up your creek", or "no place for the meek", then work both ways from there, you will have better luck. I think once the story gets out about how the chest was eventually found (if ever), I think we're all going to be very disappointed when we find out what WWWH and HOB really are.



And like someone previously mentioned, I can't put enough emphasis on pure dumb luck and trial and error. I've been to my spot four times now, and guess what I still don't have! So, please humor the ramblings of a young man in an old man's body. This thing will end the way it ends. Strategy schmategy. Good luck everyone. Boo
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06-18-2013, 04:19 PM,
#19
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Boo,

Now that you have provided the proper methodology for the solution, it should not be long before it is found. If only they listen to you!

The Wolf
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06-18-2013, 04:59 PM,
#20
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<b>Quote from Boo on June 18, 2013, 4:54 pm</b>

Also for Peacemaker. Your question pertaining to WWWH illustrates one of my points. I think most people are looking for some grandiose example of WWWH; something bigger than life, meaningful, or abstract.
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<b>Hi, Boo. I'm not sure what you read into my comment that makes you think that I'm looking for something grandiose. In a nutshell, I don't think WWWH is the Continental Divide for the reasons stated. Period. JMHO. As for the rest of what you said, I've always looked at it backwards and forwards and asked myself things like, "Why would FF use such an odd phrase like 'where warm waters halt'?" I know I bugged Stephanie about that one in private. LOL</b>



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Respectfully, I think where you and others get hung up is looking for this bigger-than-life WWWH,
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<b>I'm also wondering why you think I'm "hung up" on anything. That's a pretty big assumption to make. I've had my (hopefully correct) solution ready to go for more than a month and will test it out in July. I still like to question things that I see and hear in the meantime, add to comments that hopefully make sense and can help someone, etc. I guess I'm kind of addicted to the research part of this and enjoy hearing other perspectives and ideas. I especially like to hear alternative ideas that might blast holes in my would-be solution so I can save my $$$ and not waste a trip. So far, it's solid but I've seen the results from other searchers whose ideas were solid, so I'm not going to get too confident. Rest assured, it's not a grandiose solution in any way and remarkably simple. And the place where it ends (hopefully at the chest) could very well be a special place to Forrest, which is highly important if you work the poem backward.</b>
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