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Newbies to the Chase, please read
10-06-2017, 06:01 AM,
#31
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-05-2017, 10:12 PM)Halogetter Wrote: This thread has exposed a great deal of hypocrisy and whole cloth.

While it is necessarily true that no one knows what any other person has, unless it is shared privately and completely, there is no person at all that can prove to have solved one single clue. That is patently obvious and truthful.

A person can believe that they have wwwh, Brown, the blaze, any clue at all, and what you have is extremely important and valuable to you and your solve, as the same is to mine. What's yours is yours and mine is mine.

I am intelligent enough and confident enough to know that I have it all solved, with a vast amount of interconnected support and many items that I've never read elsewhere. So I've got it. Right. But deep down I know I cannot prove to have solved one single clue, and Forrest knows this as well. He said it outright himself, that you don't know if you have wwwh solved if you don't have the chest.

There is an essential difference between claim and prove.

So, many among us need to get a grip. Sure, you can go ahead and claim that you have any number of clues solved, or all of them, or even say that you've been to the chest but some mysterious power of the universe prevented you from picking it up. But deep down, the undeniable truth is that you scientifically, truthfully, logically, and common sensically have nothing that you can prove. Sorry about that.

Maybe it can be understood this way: One, or even more than one, of us may in fact have the complete and correct solution, like I do. But you actually have nothing more proven than someone who has all the clues wrong and sincerely believes it's all correct!! The cat is alive and dead at the same time.

Perhaps God or the universe is aware of who has it right, but mere mortals need the chest in hand to claim a damn thing as a fact.

Why do we still need to talk about this at this stage of the game? And please, we do not need to police people saying IMO all the time.

But enough of this rubbish, I'll just go with the wisdom of TrapperJ here:

"Even if we are all full of it, this is the place to come and talk about how full of it we are."

Yeah, it's okay to feel young and foolish and full of it, which we all are, but in a good way. There can be great thinking here from many.

Would it make sense for me to state exactly what comprises the terrain of the second and third stanzas? The Begin, the between, and the End?

I've got it all done down to the foot, but I am sane enough to know that anyone who says I've got nothing proven is, alas, 100% correct...

There are many people who are deeply experienced with the poem and the chase, and I believe that I am one of them, but there can be no experts here. Not yet.

So my advice to newbies is: read the poem and may your mind be fireworks.

Halogetter

Actually, that is not true - I DO have something I can prove. And that is the ridiculous amount of verdigris I have been following through the rock and soil below the stone I claim to be the blaze. Since verdigris is the result of copper oxidation and I am searching through sedimentary rock where copper ore does not normally occur, I am either closing in a copper chest or someone's boatload of pennies.
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10-06-2017, 08:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-06-2017, 08:56 AM by fundamental design.)
#32
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-05-2017, 08:26 PM)OjoDude Wrote: I realize it must be hard to accept. You don't even have the first clue solved, let alone more than one. If it weren't for Fenn, everyone would still be guessing if the first clue was in the second stanza or the first.

There’s been plenty of searchers that have claimed they thought the first clue was wwwh before they found out f mentioned that it was indeed the first clue. Those claims are well documented on the blogs or in searcher books. See how progress works? Progress doesn’t mean one has to have proof that one solved a clue. Progress doesn’t specify that.

(10-05-2017, 11:27 PM)OjoDude Wrote: Well put Halo. You have calmed the savage beasts with eloquence.

You said in your OP that we have to nail down the first clue so sounds like you think more progress can be made.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-06-2017, 09:01 AM,
#33
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
dejoka -

I don't see what you're getting at. I agree completely with the canasta statement, and other statements by Forrest that you must have the first clue correct.
The clues are contiguous, and I believe that they are in order as he has said (although many have alternate interpretations of that statement).

The problem arises in knowing that the first clue is "nailed down", meaning secure, in place, solid, connected, etc., in conventional terms (however some believe there's a hint here, and I won't say). You cannot know for certainty that you had it nailed down in the first place, with all of the other correct clue solutions that follow, until you confirm it with hands on the chest.

If any one of us believes to have the first clue nailed down, it is nevertheless provisional.

Halogetter
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10-06-2017, 09:28 AM,
#34
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-06-2017, 08:30 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 08:26 PM)OjoDude Wrote: I realize it must be hard to accept. You don't even have the first clue solved, let alone more than one. If it weren't for Fenn, everyone would still be guessing if the first clue was in the second stanza or the first.

There’s been plenty of searchers that have claimed they thought the first clue was wwwh before they found out f mentioned that it was indeed the first clue. Those claims are well documented on the blogs or in searcher books. See how progress works? Progress doesn’t mean one has to have proof that one solved a clue. Progress doesn’t specify that.

(10-05-2017, 11:27 PM)OjoDude Wrote: Well put Halo. You have calmed the savage beasts with eloquence.

You said in your OP that we have to nail down the first clue so sounds like you think more progress can be made.
Just read Halo's response above.
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10-06-2017, 10:19 AM,
#35
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
I don't give a rat's ass?
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10-06-2017, 11:05 AM,
#36
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
Hoc est maxime iustus.
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10-06-2017, 11:33 AM,
#37
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-06-2017, 09:28 AM)OjoDude Wrote:
(10-06-2017, 08:30 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 08:26 PM)OjoDude Wrote: I realize it must be hard to accept. You don't even have the first clue solved, let alone more than one. If it weren't for Fenn, everyone would still be guessing if the first clue was in the second stanza or the first.

There’s been plenty of searchers that have claimed they thought the first clue was wwwh before they found out f mentioned that it was indeed the first clue. Those claims are well documented on the blogs or in searcher books. See how progress works? Progress doesn’t mean one has to have proof that one solved a clue. Progress doesn’t specify that.

(10-05-2017, 11:27 PM)OjoDude Wrote: Well put Halo. You have calmed the savage beasts with eloquence.

You said in your OP that we have to nail down the first clue so sounds like you think more progress can be made.
Just read Halo's response above.

So you have already changed your mind that we need to nail down the first clue?

No one has been able to show evidence yet that concludes no searchers figured out that wwwh was the first clue, or the blaze for that matter, before f said they were clues. Nor has anyone shown evidence that a few searchers hadn’t figured out that there is a word that is key mechanism in the poem before f’s famous announcement of such. Of course, this means a few did figure it out before f announced it on February 4, 2014. That’s two examples of definite progress made in the Chase.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-06-2017, 12:34 PM,
#38
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
I land somewhere in the middle.

I don't think anybody has 100% confirmation until they have the tc but I do think progress is being made. Knowledge and progress with working through a solve. Understanding more of the areas, the data, the discussions.

I do think anybody who has spent time with BOTG knows they can't say they know it until they have it, but I see those who continue to say such needing something which that bragging brings them. Most days I chuckle but yes it does get irritating, but if it helps them , I guess I will continue to chuckle.

I would say though to newbies, don't give away your solves. I have had many searchers email me that they gave their solve to a vet to look at and now concerned. Don't do that! Though share tidbits that you might want to discuss. Not the exact spot, or you will be at Walmart when they are at Gucci.... or something like that.
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10-06-2017, 12:57 PM,
#39
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-06-2017, 12:50 PM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-06-2017, 12:34 PM)Kpro Wrote: I land somewhere in the middle.

I don't think anybody has 100% confirmation until they have the tc but I do think progress is being made. Knowledge and progress with working through a solve. Understanding more of the areas, the data, the discussions.

I do think anybody who has spent time with BOTG knows they can't say they know it until they have it, but I see those who continue to say such needing something which that bragging brings them. Most days I chuckle but yes it does get irritating, but if it helps them , I guess I will continue to chuckle.

I would say though to newbies, don't give away your solves. I have had many searchers email me that they gave their solve to a vet to look at and now concerned. Don't do that! Though share tidbits that you might want to discuss. Not the exact spot, or you will be at Walmart when they are at Gucci.... or something like that.

Well said, Kpro.

No one who TRULY believes they know the correct location, will ever post all of their info on any of these sites.

Every Complete solve that's been posted, has been a FAILED solve.
Think about that.

I throw out a ton of stuff that hints at my interpretation but, I'd never be foolish enough to spill the beans on an open forum or to share my complete solve with someone I've met online.

So, anyone with common sense should be able to realize that just because it's not being shared publicly does not mean that progress has not been made.

Geezus, why would I work as hard as I have and then just give it away to the first one that can get there ?

It would take a real special breed to do something that friggin' stupid.

Thanks RT. But I will say on the last part of your post, I think some are either ready to throw in the towel, so why not put it out there? Also, it costs me too much money to go BOTG again, so I am putting more and more out there in hopes to either (1) it helps me get a breakthrough via discussion, or (2) helps someone else.

I am getting to the point that I would just like the TC found, and it would be nice to be me (really nice!) but i just want someone to find it and know the "right" solve. Hopefully that happens in my lifetime.
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10-06-2017, 01:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-06-2017, 01:08 PM by OjoDude.)
#40
RE: Newbies to the Chase, please read
(10-06-2017, 11:33 AM)fundamental design Wrote: So you have already changed your mind that we need to nail down the first clue?

No one has been able to show evidence yet that concludes no searchers figured out that wwwh was the first clue, or the blaze for that matter, before f said they were clues. Nor has anyone shown evidence that a few searchers hadn’t figured out that there is a word that is key mechanism in the poem before f’s famous announcement of such. Of course, this means a few did figure it out before f announced it on February 4, 2014. That’s two examples of definite progress made in the Chase.
Not at all. I choose not to play with pigeons. You have a hard time comprehending what others write, and Ive seen your back and forth with other searchers. It just isn't worth my time explaining to you.

(10-06-2017, 12:50 PM)ROLL TIDE Wrote: No one who TRULY believes they know the correct location, will ever post all of their info on any of these sites.

Every Complete solve that's been posted, has been a FAILED solve.
Think about that.
Believes being the keyword. You can believe in sasquatch, doesn't make it so.

Every solve has been a FAILED solve, posted or otherwise. Yours included. Think about that.

Without the chest, you have a failed solve. The only solve that isn't failed is one that is successful. And the one that is successful yields the chest.
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