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Tight focus with a word that is key
10-26-2017, 11:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-26-2017, 11:38 AM by Umbra.)
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 10:42 AM)LuckyLove Wrote: Hi dejoka, I thought about this for a minute and my answer is: not immediately. Imo, the key is a part of but separate from the map. It will only work with the correct map. So I say the searchers that were in tight focus with the a particular word, for whatever reason, may not know it's the key and others that strongly feel it's the key are using the wrong map, they're in the wrong place. Almost positive I have the key, although there's a slight bit of disbelief on my end. Will find out this winter for sure. Either way I'll probably reveal what i'm using as the key and exactly how it applies,
I like the way you think and approach things, Lucky. I'll be anxiously anticipating your post on this.


About The Email and Quote:

Fenn said that in response to a guy who emailed or called him in what I took as a semi-threatening tone claiming he had the combination to Fenn's safe, or vault. I think it was safe. Fenn replied that it didn't require a combination it required a key. Fenn also said the poem is not a puzzle, but a map.

I'm not sure what either of these things mean, but I know what a map key does. Sometimes I think the entire path is on some fishing guide map no one can seem to find, but most of the time I don't. Fenn said we have to figure out the clues and what the poem says. If we have to figure that out it sounds more like a puzzle to me than a map.
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10-26-2017, 11:38 AM,
#22
RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 10:23 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 09:49 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 08:47 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 05:56 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-25-2017, 08:34 PM)Andrew Jef Wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------

RT, good thinking.

I remember Cynthia posted that she asked f about the word that is key after f made his statement about it. She said he replied that almost every line in the poem has a word that is key (this is off the top of my head). I probably have a screenshot of that post somewhere.

http://www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=6161

FD,

I did not read all 26 pages of that thread but, I did see that the 'Cynthia Thing' was also mentioned by you in that thread.

You stated there (paraphrasing), that you had posted pertinent information elsewhere, that relates to the comment by Cynthia, but that you weren't willing to show where you posted it at and that people could do their homework and find it themselves.

Do you still hold that position, or are you willing to direct us to the information you posted ?

Personally, I've not spent even a moderate amount of time pondering about 'the word that is key'.

I do a boatload of research though.
I don't share all of what I find, but I share quite a bit.

Most of the gems I come up with are a result of my own thinking.

But, if I use information or quotes from other searchers, then I never see any reason to not share the same with everyone here.

So, Cynthia made a comment publicly, you know where it's at, but you aren't willing to share that with the rest of us ?

What is the big secret ?

It's not like most of us don't do our share of research.

But, why require us to search for something that is not really a big secret, seeing that it is already posted somewhere on a public forum ?

I find that just a bit curious.

I think you are over complicating this. I posted earlier today that I remember reading that Cynthia posted that comment by f when she asked him about the word that is key. Since at the time I posted that earlier today I can’t remember where I saw that I relayed the best info I had about it at that time. That’s me sharing what I can at that time. Hopefully others would remember the same thing and add to it.

I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there. Like I said earlier today, I probably have a screenshot of the quote but that would take about 4 months to find in my collection of 6,000 screenshots. I will chip away at trying to find an easy way to find that info. I’m not gonna look into what you shared a link of as I’m looking for the quickest way to find the relevant post. I’ll try to google it.

Edit to add...I might have remembered where I posted that quote from Cynthia and why I didn’t release the info where before. It might be in my book. I can’t remember so I’ll look in my book when I get time tonight.

Well, that's got to be the biggest load of BULLSHIT I have read in a while.

How the hell am I 'over complicating' this by questioning something that YOU have stated here and elsewhere ?

You, from above :
"I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there."

You, from the link I posted :
"10-17-2016, 11:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-17-2016, 11:17 AM by fundamental design.)
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RE: Im rooting for you all...
Yep, you're shady that you can't back up the fact I already presented my evidence that you still to this day haven't been able to refute at all. You saying it's all conjecture is a joke.

Fact- I sent ff an email before February 4, 2014 explaining I found what I think is a keyword and what it does for a solution in the poem. Put your money where your mouth is and bet me this isn't a fact....

Fact- FF made a public statement on Feb. 4, 2014 about a few searchers in tight focus with a word that is key.

Fact- I presented all my evidence, except my email to ff, here on ChaseChat. Even showed where ff wrote another searcher privately that the poem takes a key.

Fact- I showed on this thread that Cynthia asked about all the word that is key hoopla after ff released his statement. He told her that much of the poem lines have a word that is key (paraphrasing). I have her post somewhere in my notes.

Fact- I have released my email and what it says to the public. You just have to find it...I'm not gonna hand everything to other searchers that can't even conduct a decent debate because all they use are bad assumptions, no research into easily found archives and opinions and think that holds up to facts.

Oh and no one ever said that a word that is key is one of the clues. So, your quote of above doesn't apply.
-.-..The keeper of the key "
______________________________________________

In that comment, you said EASILY FOUND ARCHIVES, but now, you're not going to look into the link I provided ? You want to tell others to search for the source but you aren't willing to use the same search function ?

You talk about FACTS and EVIDENCE but are now unwilling or unable to show those facts and evidence, and then have the audacity to say that I am the one who is complicating things ?

I'm using YOUR comments as grounds for the question I am asking.

So, if you see that as complicated or confusing, then imagine how confused the rest of us are when you say you have facts and evidence that supports your comments, but you are unwilling or unable to show us those facts or that evidence.

I'm not the only one here who would be interested in seeing a source for what you have claimed.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying that you can't provide a source for your comment.
I'm simply saying that I would like to see the original.

Sometimes, it helps to be able to see it within the surrounding context of the discussion where it took place.

Take your time.

Yes, you over complicate it. The easy route would be to message Cynthia and ask for clarification which is what I have done. So, no I don’t need to spend time checking your link at this time. Obscure quotes take time to dig up.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-26-2017, 11:49 AM,
#23
RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 11:38 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 10:23 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 09:49 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 08:47 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 05:56 AM)fundamental design Wrote: I remember Cynthia posted that she asked f about the word that is key after f made his statement about it. She said he replied that almost every line in the poem has a word that is key (this is off the top of my head). I probably have a screenshot of that post somewhere.

http://www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=6161

FD,

I did not read all 26 pages of that thread but, I did see that the 'Cynthia Thing' was also mentioned by you in that thread.

You stated there (paraphrasing), that you had posted pertinent information elsewhere, that relates to the comment by Cynthia, but that you weren't willing to show where you posted it at and that people could do their homework and find it themselves.

Do you still hold that position, or are you willing to direct us to the information you posted ?

Personally, I've not spent even a moderate amount of time pondering about 'the word that is key'.

I do a boatload of research though.
I don't share all of what I find, but I share quite a bit.

Most of the gems I come up with are a result of my own thinking.

But, if I use information or quotes from other searchers, then I never see any reason to not share the same with everyone here.

So, Cynthia made a comment publicly, you know where it's at, but you aren't willing to share that with the rest of us ?

What is the big secret ?

It's not like most of us don't do our share of research.

But, why require us to search for something that is not really a big secret, seeing that it is already posted somewhere on a public forum ?

I find that just a bit curious.

I think you are over complicating this. I posted earlier today that I remember reading that Cynthia posted that comment by f when she asked him about the word that is key. Since at the time I posted that earlier today I can’t remember where I saw that I relayed the best info I had about it at that time. That’s me sharing what I can at that time. Hopefully others would remember the same thing and add to it.

I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there. Like I said earlier today, I probably have a screenshot of the quote but that would take about 4 months to find in my collection of 6,000 screenshots. I will chip away at trying to find an easy way to find that info. I’m not gonna look into what you shared a link of as I’m looking for the quickest way to find the relevant post. I’ll try to google it.

Edit to add...I might have remembered where I posted that quote from Cynthia and why I didn’t release the info where before. It might be in my book. I can’t remember so I’ll look in my book when I get time tonight.

Well, that's got to be the biggest load of BULLSHIT I have read in a while.

How the hell am I 'over complicating' this by questioning something that YOU have stated here and elsewhere ?

You, from above :
"I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there."

You, from the link I posted :
"10-17-2016, 11:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-17-2016, 11:17 AM by fundamental design.)
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RE: Im rooting for you all...
Yep, you're shady that you can't back up the fact I already presented my evidence that you still to this day haven't been able to refute at all. You saying it's all conjecture is a joke.

Fact- I sent ff an email before February 4, 2014 explaining I found what I think is a keyword and what it does for a solution in the poem. Put your money where your mouth is and bet me this isn't a fact....

Fact- FF made a public statement on Feb. 4, 2014 about a few searchers in tight focus with a word that is key.

Fact- I presented all my evidence, except my email to ff, here on ChaseChat. Even showed where ff wrote another searcher privately that the poem takes a key.

Fact- I showed on this thread that Cynthia asked about all the word that is key hoopla after ff released his statement. He told her that much of the poem lines have a word that is key (paraphrasing). I have her post somewhere in my notes.

Fact- I have released my email and what it says to the public. You just have to find it...I'm not gonna hand everything to other searchers that can't even conduct a decent debate because all they use are bad assumptions, no research into easily found archives and opinions and think that holds up to facts.

Oh and no one ever said that a word that is key is one of the clues. So, your quote of above doesn't apply.
-.-..The keeper of the key "
______________________________________________

In that comment, you said EASILY FOUND ARCHIVES, but now, you're not going to look into the link I provided ? You want to tell others to search for the source but you aren't willing to use the same search function ?

You talk about FACTS and EVIDENCE but are now unwilling or unable to show those facts and evidence, and then have the audacity to say that I am the one who is complicating things ?

I'm using YOUR comments as grounds for the question I am asking.

So, if you see that as complicated or confusing, then imagine how confused the rest of us are when you say you have facts and evidence that supports your comments, but you are unwilling or unable to show us those facts or that evidence.

I'm not the only one here who would be interested in seeing a source for what you have claimed.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying that you can't provide a source for your comment.
I'm simply saying that I would like to see the original.

Sometimes, it helps to be able to see it within the surrounding context of the discussion where it took place.

Take your time.

Yes, you over complicate it. The easy route would be to message Cynthia and ask for clarification which is what I have done. So, no I don’t need to spend time checking your link at this time. Obscure quotes take time to dig up.


You're so full of it.

I do nothing but quote YOUR very own comments and you have the balls to tell me that I am over complicating things by asking you to provide a source to substantiate your comments.

EPIC EFFING FAIL.
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10-26-2017, 11:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-26-2017, 12:07 PM by fundamental design.)
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 10:49 AM)njfl Wrote: 12-03-2016, 01:39 PM,
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RE: Forrest Fenn vlog #2 - warm waters

(12-03-2016, 01:25 PM)mdc777 Wrote:

(12-03-2016, 12:08 PM)cynthia Wrote:
mdc777, I wasn't going to make any more comments today on any threads here, but i thought your initial diagram that you displayed in this video was awesome. Everyone should click on the link and watch it because it was a great example of how our minds automatically suggest what we think should be next in a puzzle or sequence. And the next piece of that puzzle is indeed something less obvious, but still makes total sense once it is pointed out. Since I watched your video, I've thought a lot about the poem, the hints in the ttotc book, and how Fenn has said many times it could be helpful to find the hints in the book to "unlock the clues in the poem". Someone posted within the last six months that in an email to him they said they had the combination to unlock the clues and he replied to them you don't need a combination, you need a "key". (paraphrased). A lot of us including me have tried to use the 9 clues (whatever one chooses those 9 clues to be) to figure out the warm water, canyon down, heavy loads, water high, no place for the meek, brave and in the wood, etc. You know, we try to find names of places that fit the 9 clues or actual geographic features that fit the 9 clues. After watching your video, maybe we need to unlock the secrets of every line that does not contain one of the nine clues (I agree the first line and first stanza is of utter importance and needs to be solved and may, or may not, be one of the 9 clues) but what about the 5th and 6th stanzas? So I'm saying we need to unlock ALL the non-clue lines or non-clue words to find the "where" he kept his secret and the "where" warm waters halt. Once you find that, you follow the warm water to the treasure chest, just like the contiguous order he said the 9 clues are in. I'm sure dozens of you have already done this or are doing this. So, IMO, after watching this, we need to solve the non-clues in the poem. The diagram turned the light bulb on in my head! Thanks for sharing your video...I'm looking forward to the next one.


Is the "key" statement you are referencing when FF said some are in tight focus with a word that is key or something else he said?


This is my other dilemma...I'm not sure if the two are the same meaning. Fenn said publicly "only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key." The person who commented on CC regarding his exchange of emails said fenn replied (paraphrasing) "You don't need a combination...you need a key." What is your take on these statements? Is the "word that is key" the same as "you need a key"? I don't know.

My reference from earlier today about f’s key statement was from a reply he gave Cynthia when she asked him about his big a few are in tight focus with a word that is key statement. My take from what I read was that Cynthia asked him about his statement since it created a big stir with searchers. What I posted was what I remember about it. F’s response to Cynthia was different than f’s comment to that previous searcher who contacted f saying he found the combination to the poem and f’s reply it takes a key (paraphrasing). Btw, that earlier searcher was JJ and his post can be found on Dal’s and I think on.ChaseChat too.

Do I think f’s statement to JJ that it takes a key is pointing at the, unknown at the time, concept of the word that is key? I do, especially since you’ve got to remember that the word that is key concept was totally unknown publically by searchers at the time. F could afford to say something vague about a key at the time. We know he’s mentioned what’s key before in a message in ttotc, I believe.

I could be wrong with it being a connection between f’s it takes a key and focused on a word that is key. But the thing is, in this case, I want to error on the side of connecting the two rather than not. If I’m wrong, so what.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-26-2017, 12:01 PM,
#25
RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 11:49 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 11:38 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 10:23 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 09:49 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(10-26-2017, 08:47 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote: http://www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=6161

FD,

I did not read all 26 pages of that thread but, I did see that the 'Cynthia Thing' was also mentioned by you in that thread.

You stated there (paraphrasing), that you had posted pertinent information elsewhere, that relates to the comment by Cynthia, but that you weren't willing to show where you posted it at and that people could do their homework and find it themselves.

Do you still hold that position, or are you willing to direct us to the information you posted ?

Personally, I've not spent even a moderate amount of time pondering about 'the word that is key'.

I do a boatload of research though.
I don't share all of what I find, but I share quite a bit.

Most of the gems I come up with are a result of my own thinking.

But, if I use information or quotes from other searchers, then I never see any reason to not share the same with everyone here.

So, Cynthia made a comment publicly, you know where it's at, but you aren't willing to share that with the rest of us ?

What is the big secret ?

It's not like most of us don't do our share of research.

But, why require us to search for something that is not really a big secret, seeing that it is already posted somewhere on a public forum ?

I find that just a bit curious.

I think you are over complicating this. I posted earlier today that I remember reading that Cynthia posted that comment by f when she asked him about the word that is key. Since at the time I posted that earlier today I can’t remember where I saw that I relayed the best info I had about it at that time. That’s me sharing what I can at that time. Hopefully others would remember the same thing and add to it.

I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there. Like I said earlier today, I probably have a screenshot of the quote but that would take about 4 months to find in my collection of 6,000 screenshots. I will chip away at trying to find an easy way to find that info. I’m not gonna look into what you shared a link of as I’m looking for the quickest way to find the relevant post. I’ll try to google it.

Edit to add...I might have remembered where I posted that quote from Cynthia and why I didn’t release the info where before. It might be in my book. I can’t remember so I’ll look in my book when I get time tonight.

Well, that's got to be the biggest load of BULLSHIT I have read in a while.

How the hell am I 'over complicating' this by questioning something that YOU have stated here and elsewhere ?

You, from above :
"I can take my best guess and say that Cynthia probably posted her comment on Dal’s. I have no interest using their search function to find the post if there."

You, from the link I posted :
"10-17-2016, 11:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-17-2016, 11:17 AM by fundamental design.)
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RE: Im rooting for you all...
Yep, you're shady that you can't back up the fact I already presented my evidence that you still to this day haven't been able to refute at all. You saying it's all conjecture is a joke.

Fact- I sent ff an email before February 4, 2014 explaining I found what I think is a keyword and what it does for a solution in the poem. Put your money where your mouth is and bet me this isn't a fact....

Fact- FF made a public statement on Feb. 4, 2014 about a few searchers in tight focus with a word that is key.

Fact- I presented all my evidence, except my email to ff, here on ChaseChat. Even showed where ff wrote another searcher privately that the poem takes a key.

Fact- I showed on this thread that Cynthia asked about all the word that is key hoopla after ff released his statement. He told her that much of the poem lines have a word that is key (paraphrasing). I have her post somewhere in my notes.

Fact- I have released my email and what it says to the public. You just have to find it...I'm not gonna hand everything to other searchers that can't even conduct a decent debate because all they use are bad assumptions, no research into easily found archives and opinions and think that holds up to facts.

Oh and no one ever said that a word that is key is one of the clues. So, your quote of above doesn't apply.
-.-..The keeper of the key "
______________________________________________

In that comment, you said EASILY FOUND ARCHIVES, but now, you're not going to look into the link I provided ? You want to tell others to search for the source but you aren't willing to use the same search function ?

You talk about FACTS and EVIDENCE but are now unwilling or unable to show those facts and evidence, and then have the audacity to say that I am the one who is complicating things ?

I'm using YOUR comments as grounds for the question I am asking.

So, if you see that as complicated or confusing, then imagine how confused the rest of us are when you say you have facts and evidence that supports your comments, but you are unwilling or unable to show us those facts or that evidence.

I'm not the only one here who would be interested in seeing a source for what you have claimed.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying that you can't provide a source for your comment.
I'm simply saying that I would like to see the original.

Sometimes, it helps to be able to see it within the surrounding context of the discussion where it took place.

Take your time.

Yes, you over complicate it. The easy route would be to message Cynthia and ask for clarification which is what I have done. So, no I don’t need to spend time checking your link at this time. Obscure quotes take time to dig up.


You're so full of it.

I do nothing but quote YOUR very own comments and you have the balls to tell me that I am over complicating things by asking you to provide a source to substantiate your comments.

EPIC EFFING FAIL.

I can provide the source how I want to. I’ve already explained the easy route I’m taking. Duh!
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-26-2017, 12:23 PM,
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
Didn't he confirm the key to us?
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10-26-2017, 12:24 PM,
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
I'm 100% certain that I never told you HOW to provide the source, I simply asked for the source and you arrogantly told me I was over-complicating things by quoting your very own comments.

DUH ! is absolutely right.

I really don't care if you do or don't.
I just have a problem with people who state things as fact and evidence, but then don't provide sources to back up those claims.

I'm through dealing with your 'uniqueness'.

I don't need your secret information. I just thought it might be interesting to be able to see the full conversation.
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10-26-2017, 12:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-26-2017, 12:31 PM by I am Mark.)
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 12:24 PM)ROLL TIDE Wrote: I'm 100% certain that I never told you HOW to provide the source, I simply asked for the source and you arrogantly told me I was over-complicating things by quoting your very own comments.

DUH ! is absolutely right.

I really don't care if you do or don't.
I just have a problem with people who state things as fact and evidence, but then don't provide sources to back up those claims.

I'm through dealing with your 'uniqueness'.

I don't need your secret information. I just thought it might be interesting to be able to see the full conversation.

Have they ever provided anything in FULL detail? You're overcomplicating your expectations.
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10-26-2017, 12:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-26-2017, 12:46 PM by fundamental design.)
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
(10-26-2017, 12:24 PM)ROLL TIDE Wrote: I'm 100% certain that I never told you HOW to provide the source, I simply asked for the source and you arrogantly told me I was over-complicating things by quoting your very own comments.

DUH ! is absolutely right.

I really don't care if you do or don't.
I just have a problem with people who state things as fact and evidence, but then don't provide sources to back up those claims.

I'm through dealing with your 'uniqueness'.

I don't need your secret information. I just thought it might be interesting to be able to see the full conversation.

Your words “You want to tell others to search for the source but you aren't willing to use the same search function ?”.

That’s sounds to me like you think I need to search for the source how you put it.

You didn’t just simply ask for the source. It’s not arrogant to bring up that i think you’re over complicating things when in your first post you brought up all kinds of things besides just being interested in seeing the link like the other few posters did. Duh!

It’ll happen when it happens.

(10-26-2017, 12:23 PM)I am Mark Wrote: Didn't he confirm the key to us?

Not sure exactly what you mean by ‘the key’ in this context.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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10-26-2017, 01:05 PM,
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RE: Tight focus with a word that is key
[Image: broken-power-lines-on-pole-200x300.png]

Unfortunate circumstance for power to be out.
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