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If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
11-05-2017, 09:39 PM,
#31
If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-05-2017, 09:13 AM)will197532 Wrote:
(11-05-2017, 08:33 AM)OH! Wrote:
(11-04-2017, 08:10 PM)will197532 Wrote: Circle objects doesn’t have a direction of degrees


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Huh? Isn't the world round? And last time I heard, north was up. A ball of yarn has a direction no matter where it's at.


Magnetic poles points up but the face of the earth doesn’t point in a direction. The magnetic poles has two directions, north pulls and south pushes that create a negative and positive effect. This process protects the earth from solar winds, radiation and charged particles.

Forrest references Native American art and just like a Indian jar, pot or vase which direction can you tell it’s pointing?
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I'm no expert but at a first glance, I would say the Art design on the pot give me a Northern direction, winter or possibly late fall is also what I see at first glance. Is any available to see if this is a correct? I am only referring to the pottery.


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11-05-2017, 11:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-05-2017, 11:26 PM by Gordon Lightfoot.)
#32
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
Forrest Fenn had a plan, he brought the blaze in to confuse all of us. I think that it's a volcanic mountain, others think that it's an actual flame, others think that the blaze represents a pile of rocks, while others writings/markings on a tree or piece of wood. Remember, Fenn said that it is nothing man made, and would last for over 1,000 years, 10,000 years....now, which way of thinking above would satisfy what Fenn said about the blaze?

That's why I firmly believe that it is AFP (11,100 ft)....warms waters halt there (the monsoons from 3 different bodies of water), there are many canyons that go downward from the top of it, it is the home of Brown since it did provide the area especially Moreno Valley with it's brown dirt on the southern half of the Valley (I researched it, boy did I research it, and was blown away by my findings...that's is what Fenn wanted us to do, analyze), 2 springs coming out at exactly the same point 40 feet apart at 9,800 feet, a terrace full of mud (heavy loads? or the mountain itself), water high (the springs provide cool water for Aqua Fria Lake below full of trout, no paddle up your creek is speaking of the 2 springs themselves (there is no way you can paddle up a stream that is lying underneath a mountain), and the blaze itself represents the mountain itself (because it's volcanic, and was giving the name "Fire of the God's by the Ute's in the area back in the 1800s, Kit Carson (probably well known by Fenn) later claiming that it was the sun at dawn and dusk that made the mountain (AFP) look like it was on fire (glow)...and you know that Fenn probably ate that story up because it's a part of American history). The terrace up there truly made it a unique place, half mud and half soiled brown dirt.

So, in my opinion WWWH, Brown, heavy loads, and the blaze are all referring to the same place....and that's where Fenn wanted to trip all of us up.

And also, let's not forget that Fenn told us all not to discount any word in the poem, it's all meat, not just portions of it which means that there are also hints such as New and Old, which to me means, NM.
If you believe that New Mexico is the place where WWWH can be found, then you are more than halfway there, because you have just eliminated 3 states.
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11-06-2017, 09:37 AM,
#33
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-05-2017, 11:25 PM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote: Forrest Fenn had a plan, he brought the blaze in to confuse all of us. I think that it's a volcanic mountain, others think that it's an actual flame, others think that the blaze represents a pile of rocks, while others writings/markings on a tree or piece of wood. Remember, Fenn said that it is nothing man made, and would last for over 1,000 years, 10,000 years....now, which way of thinking above would satisfy what Fenn said about the blaze?

That's why I firmly believe that it is AFP (11,100 ft)....warms waters halt there (the monsoons from 3 different bodies of water), there are many canyons that go downward from the top of it, it is the home of Brown since it did provide the area especially Moreno Valley with it's brown dirt on the southern half of the Valley (I researched it, boy did I research it, and was blown away by my findings...that's is what Fenn wanted us to do, analyze), 2 springs coming out at exactly the same point 40 feet apart at 9,800 feet, a terrace full of mud (heavy loads? or the mountain itself), water high (the springs provide cool water for Aqua Fria Lake below full of trout, no paddle up your creek is speaking of the 2 springs themselves (there is no way you can paddle up a stream that is lying underneath a mountain), and the blaze itself represents the mountain itself (because it's volcanic, and was giving the name "Fire of the God's by the Ute's in the area back in the 1800s, Kit Carson (probably well known by Fenn) later claiming that it was the sun at dawn and dusk that made the mountain (AFP) look like it was on fire (glow)...and you know that Fenn probably ate that story up because it's a part of American history). The terrace up there truly made it a unique place, half mud and half soiled brown dirt.

So, in my opinion WWWH, Brown, heavy loads, and the blaze are all referring to the same place....and that's where Fenn wanted to trip all of us up.

And also, let's not forget that Fenn told us all not to discount any word in the poem, it's all meat, not just portions of it which means that there are also hints such as New and Old, which to me means, NM.
If you believe that New Mexico is the place where WWWH can be found, then you are more than halfway there, because you have just eliminated 3 states.

I having trouble recalling where f said this according to you- ”Remember, Fenn said that it is nothing man made”...

Can you please provide a link to where f said this or are you paraphrasing?
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11-06-2017, 11:03 AM,
#34
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
He said not associated with a structure. That should tell you all you need to know about Gordo.
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11-06-2017, 11:37 AM,
#35
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-06-2017, 11:03 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote: He said not associated with a structure. That should tell you all you need to know about Gordo.

Thank you, Buddy.....

There you go, fd, Fenn said that it's all nature, no man's hands has touched anything as far as the clues go. I don't know about the hints though.
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11-06-2017, 11:50 AM,
#36
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-06-2017, 11:37 AM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:03 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote: He said not associated with a structure. That should tell you all you need to know about Gordo.

Thank you, Buddy.....

There you go, fd, Fenn said that it's all nature, no man's hands has touched anything as far as the clues go. I don't know about the hints though.

I think that you are still wrong. That only has to do with the hiding place. We do not know if that means all nine clues. IMHO it does not, but I do not believe he has said. I have tried to ask him several times but never got an answer.
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11-06-2017, 12:16 PM,
#37
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-05-2017, 09:22 PM)John Brown Wrote:
(11-05-2017, 07:47 PM)admin Wrote: John you just made me understand true north(ok cc class... don't laugh).

So my question is.....how does true north change in a day....year...thousand years....when does north become south?

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For your life you can forget about pole flips. Pole flips take a long time (100's-1000's of years). The location of the north magnetic pole moves around a good bit all the time though. Here is what wikipedia says about it.

The North Magnetic Pole moves over time due to magnetic changes in the Earth's core.[1] In 2001, it was determined by the Geological Survey of Canada to lie west of Ellesmere Island in northern Canada at 81.3°N 110.8°W. It was situated at 83.1°N 117.8°W in 2005. In 2009, while still situated within the Canadian Arctic territorial claim at 84.9°N 131.0°W,[2] it was moving toward Russia at between 55 and 60 kilometres (34 and 37 mi) per year.[3] As of 2017, the pole is projected to have moved beyond the Canadian Arctic territorial claim to 86.5°N 172.6°W.[2]

admin was asking about true north.

So, just to clarify:
True north doesn't change very much at all in our lifetime.
True north is at the spin axis of the earth at the north pole.
Magnetic north is what you are describing and that is where a compass points.
The difference between true north and magnetic north varies depending where you are on the earth's surface.
The difference is called magnetic declination(aka magnetic variation).

Now with that said:
ff said “Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search.
Knowing about head pressures, ... , magnetic variation.... Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.” f

A compass will do you no good with BOTG without taking into consideration magnetic variation:
so this quote in my mind is ruling out the need for a compass in finding the TC.
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11-06-2017, 12:17 PM,
#38
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-06-2017, 11:50 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:37 AM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:03 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote: He said not associated with a structure. That should tell you all you need to know about Gordo.

Thank you, Buddy.....

There you go, fd, Fenn said that it's all nature, no man's hands has touched anything as far as the clues go. I don't know about the hints though.

I think that you are still wrong. That only has to do with the hiding place. We do not know if that means all nine clues. IMHO it does not, but I do not believe he has said. I have tried to ask him several times but never got an answer.

I don't know of anything man has made that has lasted at least 10K years. I could be wrong though.
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11-06-2017, 12:31 PM,
#39
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
Plenty of man made things from 10k ago. Stone tools are the first to come to mind.
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11-06-2017, 12:33 PM,
#40
RE: If the blaze doesn't face north,south,east, or west...
(11-06-2017, 12:17 PM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:50 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:37 AM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:03 AM)Buddy Allen Wrote: He said not associated with a structure. That should tell you all you need to know about Gordo.

Thank you, Buddy.....

There you go, fd, Fenn said that it's all nature, no man's hands has touched anything as far as the clues go. I don't know about the hints though.

I think that you are still wrong. That only has to do with the hiding place. We do not know if that means all nine clues. IMHO it does not, but I do not believe he has said. I have tried to ask him several times but never got an answer.

I don't know of anything man has made that has lasted at least 10K years. I could be wrong though.

You could be wrong that anything man has made needs to last 10,000 years in regards to the Chase.
-.-..The keeper of the key
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