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Warm waters halt and the riddle
01-25-2018, 12:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-27-2018, 12:48 PM by realistrealist.)
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Warm waters halt and the riddle
Pulling information from some other threads and putting them here. Why is this not the correct start point?

Where warm waters halt: Warm Creek – Park County

No Place for the Biddies – “He’d run away from home but he’s not allowed to cross the street.”

Book titled: “I'm running away from home, but I'm not allowed to cross the street: A primer of women's liberation” – 1973 by Gabrielle Burton

Wyoming motto – “Equal Rights” from the women’s suffrage movement.

Two common answers to the riddle, “Why did the chicken (define biddy) cross the road?” are: to get to the other side, and because it was too far to walk around. The assumption most make with respect to “not far, but too far to walk” is that it is defining a long distance that is meant to be traveled by bike, car, boat, or some other method of transportation before “put”ing in (parking or docking, etc.). If you view it as a riddle, you’ll likely come to a different answer shown here: https://imgur.com/a/ok2Xi. Fenn has stated a child may have an advantage, perhaps because a child is more likely to know the answer to a chicken crossing the road riddle. "Not far, but too far to walk" is answering the riddle with the second answer. Take it in the canyon down and cross the street below the home of Brown.

Put: "to bring into another state"
Put in = to bring into another state and park.

If you cross the street below Warm Creek and continue down in the canyon, you eventually pass into Wyoming. I’m sure everyone already knows my theory on the home of Brown being Montana as it is the home of both Mt. Brown and Birdie Brown (another independent woman during the suffrage movement). I haven’t seen Birdie Brown’s homestead on a map, but I’m sure one would exist in Lewistown. With respect to Mount Brown, however, the first result via Google search is going to show Montana. Joe Brown also called Cooke City his home for a while which is slightly North of this area.

I will be sad if the small covered stream we passed was the location, some 500-1,400 feet (I forget which bend it was; 200 feet from the main road) from the picnic parking area. The creek/stream has a small waterfall at it's end seen here: https://get.google.com/albumarchive/1015...yfJ1cJ4-uB. If this was heavy loads and waters high... ugh! I only saw one spot along the stream that could barely fit a person underneath, but it required getting wet and I saw no "blaze" (we also had a mile hike ahead of us on the other presumed location and I was suffering from a Lyme disease tick bite unbeknownst to me) and couldn't really see any "fields" as the area is laden with downed trees. It is dark even during the day, but I suppose that is why you should have a flashlight. Walking along the stream requires walking on and over large pines.

Other information from the book and Fenn statements (may add more later, but busy now)
• Bring a sandwich and a flashlight – Warm Creek Picnic Area is nearby
• Raining twice at Borders – Warm Creek extends into Park County, MT from Park County, WY
• Brick houses – Birdie Brown lived along Brickyard Creek in Lewistown, MT
• Fenn referring to chickens in blog posts and elsewhere
• Final location right by Soda Butte Creek (Soda mentions in book + collecting caps… the shape of a Butte)
• "Somewhere in Montana" and "Somewhere in Wyoming" as chapter locations
• Missing cats in copycat illustrations - mystery of missing ball of string (yarn) like Birdie Brown's missing cat
• Final illustration in TTOTC of man looking at bird nesting (home) in the moon as it shines down - Birdie Brown a notorious moonshine maker in Montana


This map is not likely correct, but shows the gist of what a "correct map" may look like: https://imgur.com/a/9tWPG

If it were in this area, I'd assume you'd simply be following the Soda Butte Creek East, under the "canyon" where Warm Creek enters Soda Butte Creek, on the shore and looking for a bell/set of fishing lures in the trees. No need to get wet and cross it. If the final clue was in his car in Denver, I assume then it'd have to be a lure. Late in the afternoon, this area is for the most part deserted, but during the day there are plenty of people around so he would have had to get lucky with timing and with people not being there.

TL;DR - Not far, but too far to walk = across the street.
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01-25-2018, 08:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2018, 09:09 PM by realistrealist.)
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
https://imgur.com/a/ZgeCY

Another map iteration. Call me crazy. The thing I wouldn't understand with this is why you'd start up the creek unless the line was simply referring to the county. But then, why would you need to cross the road? Perhaps crossroad is referring to a place name.
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01-28-2018, 02:07 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2018, 02:21 PM by realistrealist.)
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
The end is ever drawing nigh?

Fenn the architect - two maps in one.

The frame (stanzas 1, 5, 6): https://imgur.com/CREx5vV

The map within a map (stanzas 2, 3, 4): https://imgur.com/a/N3HjY

Combined: https://imgur.com/ZyGqjav

Peacing out for a little while from posting here. GG
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01-28-2018, 10:46 AM,
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
(01-28-2018, 02:07 AM)realistrealist Wrote: The end is ever drawing nigh?

Fenn the architect - two maps in one.

The frame (stanzas 1, 5, 6): https://imgur.com/CREx5vV

The map within a map (stanzas 2, 3, 4): https://imgur.com/JJomOXb

Combined: https://imgur.com/ZyGqjav

Peacing out for a little while from posting here. GG

Switch them around and you'll be getting the right idea. The frame is stanzas 2,3, 4. The map within a map is stanzas 1, 5, 6. Then go to a different state.


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01-29-2018, 11:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2018, 02:02 PM by realistrealist.)
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
(01-28-2018, 10:46 AM)trigace Wrote:
(01-28-2018, 02:07 AM)realistrealist Wrote: The end is ever drawing nigh?

Fenn the architect - two maps in one.

The frame (stanzas 1, 5, 6): https://imgur.com/CREx5vV

The map within a map (stanzas 2, 3, 4): https://imgur.com/JJomOXb

Combined: https://imgur.com/ZyGqjav

Peacing out for a little while from posting here. GG

Switch them around and you'll be getting the right idea. The frame is stanzas 2,3, 4. The map within a map is stanzas 1, 5, 6. Then go to a different state.

Felt the need to respond - this is both illogical and nonsensical if you know what a blueprint is.
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01-30-2018, 11:40 AM,
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
(01-29-2018, 11:28 AM)realistrealist Wrote:
(01-28-2018, 10:46 AM)trigace Wrote:
(01-28-2018, 02:07 AM)realistrealist Wrote: The end is ever drawing nigh?

Fenn the architect - two maps in one.

The frame (stanzas 1, 5, 6): https://imgur.com/CREx5vV

The map within a map (stanzas 2, 3, 4): https://imgur.com/JJomOXb

Combined: https://imgur.com/ZyGqjav

Peacing out for a little while from posting here. GG

Switch them around and you'll be getting the right idea. The frame is stanzas 2,3, 4. The map within a map is stanzas 1, 5, 6. Then go to a different state.

Felt the need to respond - this is both illogical and nonsensical if you know what a blueprint is.

It's only illogical and nonsensical if you don't understand the pattern or blueprint of the poem. Stanzas 2, 3, and 4 tell you to follow a large circular path which could be considered the frame. These stanzas take you to the general final search area. Stanzas 1, 5, and 6 are the map within a map and show you where and how to solve the final riddle to get to the chest. Is that any easier to understand?

By the way, I know what a blueprint is. As a civil engineer I've made and used hundreds of blueprints.


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01-30-2018, 12:03 PM,
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
(01-30-2018, 11:40 AM)trigace Wrote:
(01-29-2018, 11:28 AM)realistrealist Wrote:
(01-28-2018, 10:46 AM)trigace Wrote:
(01-28-2018, 02:07 AM)realistrealist Wrote: The end is ever drawing nigh?

Fenn the architect - two maps in one.

The frame (stanzas 1, 5, 6): https://imgur.com/CREx5vV

The map within a map (stanzas 2, 3, 4): https://imgur.com/JJomOXb

Combined: https://imgur.com/ZyGqjav

Peacing out for a little while from posting here. GG

Switch them around and you'll be getting the right idea. The frame is stanzas 2,3, 4. The map within a map is stanzas 1, 5, 6. Then go to a different state.

Felt the need to respond - this is both illogical and nonsensical if you know what a blueprint is.

It's only illogical and nonsensical if you don't understand the pattern or blueprint of the poem. Stanzas 2, 3, and 4 tell you to follow a large circular path which could be considered the frame. These stanzas take you to the general final search area. Stanzas 1, 5, and 6 are the map within a map and show you where and how to solve the final riddle to get to the chest. Is that any easier to understand?

By the way, I know what a blueprint is. As a civil engineer I've made and used hundreds of blueprints.

The frame goes on the outside. Forrest said the poem was straightforward. He more or less said you start WWWH and if you find the blaze you find the chest. Taking the inverse doesn't seem logical, but I'd rather not quibble about something trivial. I thought you were trying to lead others astray so apologies if I came off as an ass.
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02-07-2018, 11:20 AM,
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
Looks like this was incorrect, again, what a surprise - crow eaten. Still believe in the region, but looks like I missed something along the way.
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Orange Ute, Adee Sphincter?
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02-07-2018, 11:29 AM,
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
Your canyon down isn't even a canyon?
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02-07-2018, 11:57 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-07-2018, 03:40 PM by realistrealist.)
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RE: Warm waters halt and the riddle
(02-07-2018, 11:29 AM)filmguy Wrote: Your canyon down isn't even a canyon?

There were multiple canyons possible with the solve. 1) Canyon from Cooke City down through Silver Gate into YS (most likely), 2) Canyon referring to area between two peaks, 3) referring to small stream (very unlikely - going back to FF's comment about size relative to ant - don't know why I included that above/elsewhere... trying to get too fancy).

If the hints were correctly ID'd, there is still a large area within which a secondary map could be placed, but you'd think you'd have to start in Park County, MT. Maybe I screwed up the entire thing or maybe I screwed up small pieces with only the 1st 2 clues correct.

The only places where warm waters are named in the area are:
Warm Creek
Lake of the Clouds (not perfect or obvious - no road along to make it start point)
Fizzle Lake (not perfect or obvious - connected to No Bones Lake - no road along to make it start point)

Then if warm waters refers to Gulf of Mexico, the creeks that extend off of Clarks Fork YS River end in mountains North of Cooke City with Clarks Fork YS River itself ending at a picnic/parking site (if I'm not mistaken - the only spot where you could physically start at of the bunch) (while switching names to Broadwater River?).
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Orange Ute, Adee Sphincter?
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